The Roundup – 5.17.26

“Halfway up the slope, Callahan turned back.

‘I do not apologize for my beliefs,’ he said, ‘but if I have complicated your work here in the Calla, I’m sorry.’

‘Your Man Jesus seems to me a bit of a son of a bitch when it comes to women,’ Roland said. ‘Was He ever married?’

The corners of Callahan’s mouth quirked. ‘No,’ he said, ‘but His girlfriend was a whore.’

‘Well,’ Roland said, ‘that’s a start.'”

– Stephen King, Wolves of the Calla, The Dark Tower V, Part 3, Chapter 1: Secrets.


7 thoughts on “The Roundup – 5.17.26

  1. J Source's avatar

    Cool, it’s the weekly round-up!

    Regarding the debate over the historicity of the resurrection, Licona is probably one of those names that comes up frequently among apologists. But I think any sort of “minimal facts approach” is still going to have to reckon at some point with the fact that there doesn’t seem to be any sort of corroboration of the burial from early hostile or neutral sources (e.g. Josephus or Bar-Serapion), let alone the obvious slant of the gospels.

    The (possible) reference from Bar-Serapion is interesting since he appears to consider “the King of the Jews” as another philosopher founding a school of followers. Given that he lived in 1st Century Syria, he probably would have been well-positioned to learn of the creed of an early church. So the notion that Jesus “survived” through his teachings kind of makes you wonder…

    There’s an open letter I came across on a skeptical website asking for a formal proof of the resurrection that would hold up in a court of law. To my knowledge, the retired lawyer who wrote it has yet to receive a response.

    Thanks,

    J Source

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    1. The Amateur Exegete's avatar

      Regarding Jesus’s burial, I recently read a really interesting paper by Tim Carter entitled “A Tomb Fit for a Prophet: An Investigation into the Historical Plausibility of the Gospel Burial Accounts” (JSNT 48, no. 4). In it he argues that at the time of Jesus’s death there was a “program” wherein Jewish elites were building tombs dedicated to the prophets of old. Joseph of Arimathea may have been involved in such a project and perhaps he felt guilty enough about Jesus’s death that he bribed Pilate to hand over the body for burial in one of these tombs. It was an interesting paper. I have issues with it (e.g., the historicity of Joseph himself), but it definitely piqued my interest.

      You can find it here: https://journals.sagepub.com/toc/jnta/48/4

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      1. J Source's avatar

        Cool. I’ll have to add it to my reading list.

        If the empty tomb narrative was historical, my current suspicion would be that there was either some sort of temporary burial by the Sanhedrin, a group of sympathizers (outside of the disciples) disturbed the body, or the location of the tomb was originally unknown to his followers. I’ll definitely have to keep an eye out for other thoughts on the subject though.

        One analogy off the top of my head is (strangely enough) that famous video of “bigfoot” in California. To the best of my knowledge, no one has provided a definitive explanation of how it was staged or what it really shows. But it doesn’t seem plausible that a large species of primate exists and has managed to avoid being captured on camera all of these years- especially given the proliferation of satellites and cell phones. So it seems reasonable to simply reject the claim that runs counter to what we would expect based on experience and demand extraordinary evidence in the meantime. (Let alone the fact that other alleged supernatural events are dismissed quite easily by those who would argue for the resurrection.)

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        1. J Source's avatar

          Sorry, just to clarify, my comment on bigfoot was regarding the fact that no clear or up-close footage has ever been produced. Every alleged video or photo is fairly blurry or from a distant point of view.

          It’s also kind of humorous that he’d probably have to have at human-level intellect (or beyond) to escape detection all of this time, given all of the advanced recording technology in existence.

          I guess it’s hard to say if there’s any cryptid I’d actually want to exist. Maybe selkies or the kraken, but the later would pose a grave risk to humanity. And then there’s Nessie…

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          1. The Amateur Exegete's avatar

            I love cryptids. For a while I was obsessed with the Mothman. I think things like that are super interesting, even if it is very unlikely they’re real.

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            1. J Source's avatar

              I completely get it- in my saved websites, there are a few directories/wikis on fictional/legendary creatures. It’s fun to think about things like whether centaurs would go to a doctor or a vet or what it would be like to have kitsune girlfriend.

              At the risk of sounding a little weird, I do enjoy a good animal/monster transformation comic or video sometimes. And there’s one really corny TV show I watched where the residents of a town were monster/legendary hybrid creatures- it did have neat CGI effects if you could overlook the acting.

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  2. SocraticGadfly's avatar

    Related to that free download? This relatively new book overviewing the Toledoth Yeshu: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/7858056556

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